DAO Proposal: Fund Guild Tournaments With DAO DEC->Guild Power
Purpose
The purpose of this proposal is to allow myself, @brybro27, to host Guild Tournaments in Splinterlands and fund them with DEC (Guild Power) from the DAO. However, the DEC will be converted instantly to Guild Power upon sending to the winner/s so it will not be re-introduced back into the circulating supply.
Guild Tournaments
In order to keep players entertained while offering potential valuable rewards, I want to create a series of Guild Tournaments. These tournaments will allow players from any guild to prove that their guild is the best.
The type of Guild tournaments are still being designed, but could involve any of the following:
- 1v1 (1 member of a guild vs 1 member of a guild)
- 2v2 (2 members of same guild vs 2 members of same guild)
- 5v5 (5 members of same guild vs 5 members of same guild)
These tournaments will span over a month in order to garner attention and build anticipation for the next round of battles.
EDIT: 05/27/2024
Since a lot of people are asking for more information on the tournament structure, I've decided to layout some of my thoughts in hopes they answer most questions. Please note, these are just my original ideals and I'd be more than welcome to adjusting tournaments based on community feedback.
Tournament Policies
- All guilds will be allowed to participate in each tournament
- There may be a small entry fee required per guild (1k - 5k DEC MAX)
-- Part of this fee will go towards paying those who will host the tournaments (myself and maybe a few helpers)
-- Other part of this fee will go towards a large prize rewarded only at the end of certain tournaments - Depending on the type of tournament, guilds will nominate the players they want to represent the guild and play in the tournament
- Upon entering a tournament, guilds will need to choose who they are sponsoring
-- Guilds may sponsor either themselves or any other guild not participating in the tournament
-- By sponsoring another guild, winnings (GP) will be sent to a member of the guild being sponsored - Top 3 guilds in each tournament will be unable to participate in the next monthly Guild Tournament series
-- Only exception would be in the final tournament series (once every 6 months)
-- Winners may not move to a new guild, nor can the winners receive card delegations from the winning accounts
Tournament Structure
- The first couple of tournaments may be simple Anytime tournaments and Modern format only
-- If these tournaments are well received, the format and type of tournament may change every month (but won't be super exclusive like GF only or Alpha/Beta only) - There will be one tournament per week
-- Ranking will determine how many points you earn each week
-- The total amount of points you earn by the last tournament of the month will determine final rankings
Reward Structure
The initial ideal for the Tournament Rewards are the following:
- Payouts will only occur once a month (at the end of the tournament)
-- Payouts will be sent from the sps.tournaments account - There will only be between 1-10 winners/payouts per tournament
-- A guild can only receive one reward per tournament - Roughly 250k - 1M DEC/GP will be paid out each tournament
- A system will be put in place to prevent the same guilds/players from winning/participating
DAO Funding
Majority of the rewards for these tournaments would be funded by the DAO. Since the community doesn't want to allow the DAO DEC back into the circulating supply, I believe a fair proposal would be to reward this DEC directly as Guild Power instead.
If you aren't familiar on how this works, you simply click the Get GP button on the Guild|Buildings page, enter how much DEC you want to convert to GP, change dropdown option to "To Player" and enter the player's username you want to send the GP too.
By rewarding GP, players can help build their own Guilds by donating the GP to a building in the guild, or they could offer their GP to be sent to a different player. The intentions for sending to a different player would be to hopefully help newer guilds that are struggling to accumulate the DEC/GP to level up their buildings.
Proposal
The ask for this proposal is to send the 'sps.tournaments' account 5M DEC to then be converted to GP as rewards for the first 6 months of hosting these Guild tournaments. The 5M DEC is only around 0.25% of the total DEC currently held by the DAO.
After 6 months, if the tournaments are successful, I will create another proposal to ask for additional funds.
That's a great idea! All for it! ;-)
DAO DEC stays in the DAO. Guild power is still inflationary. How do you get guild power now?
It is highly unlikely @vugtis will support this.
5M DEC for 6 months worth of tourneys. That's probably the lowest amount of funding anyone has ever requested from the DAO....
If it is so little why don’t you crowdfund money. Easy enough.
Yes, you have to convert DEC to get Guild Power. Yes, it is taking it from the DAO.
In the current state of the game, I can tell you right now that probably 99% of players are not wasting DEC on guild buildings at the moment. Thus, new players that may be joining aren't getting in on the Guild benefits since no one is focusing on building up their Guilds.
I'm not looking for much. I just want to add a new entertainment avenue to the game while also helping mainly new players by building Guilds and incentivizing playing with the community.
Guild is a product and a commodity. You give a product out for free and that product will never be valued.
A strong NO from me. Thank you for writing the proposal
You could look at it as advertising-spend to increase the emotional connection that newer people have with the game. Guild versus Guild matches will help players bond with their guildies and increase the chance of people wanting to join guilds to join in on the banter.
No question about the usefulness of guild and it’s impact on the game.
Why not make these zero-sum tournaments? We already have SPSDAO running events.
Collect DEC as the entry fee and pay it back out as Guild Power.
Like I posted above, I think these casual/comp events need to be for an equal ante. I would support an event where players/guilds enter for a fee in DEC that is burned and that fee is matched by the DAO in terms of prizing for the events. The burning of DEC to unlock DEC that the DAO never wants to sell is a benefit to all players since it removes DEC from circulation without the need of any sell pressure. Win-Win in my book.
Very cool idea.
Guilds are a huge reason that players stay involved and engaged in the game.
Doing more fun things to enhance guild gameplay can only help player satisfaction.
I think more detailed info on how this is intended to work would be helpful though.
I wanted to keep it a bit vague for now because it will be a waste of time if this proposal doesn't get passed.
I don't foresee players being able to gamify this tournament series because the top players are in Guilds where this may not benefit them much as they may already be maxed as it is.
I added a note about preventing the same winners/guilds earn rewards multiple times. I will look to make a system that helps spread out the rewards so everyone feels a little rewarded overall.
I think if you don't give details then it will cost you votes. I'm worried the rules might be super top heavy, and this will stop me from voting for it without knowing them ahead of time.
Sorry the DAO spends no money right now. The last town hall spooked me saying the company is going to be asking for monetary help soon.
That's $5K for 6 months at most. DEC isn't even on peg right now. So it sounds good. What about accountability. Do you make reports on Hive on expenses? I'm willing to try this out.
Indeed, I'm not asking for much. Just enough to make it worthwhile.
If this was to get approved, I would definitely make weekly reports with an analysis of how the tournament is progressing each week. Upon tournament end, I would definitely post a results report with the transaction IDs on what DEC->GP rewards get sent and to who.
Love the idea, dislike the approach. If you want to say -- have a premier stakes event or tournaments for guilds, lets just make it a zero sum game. The players/guilds will need to burn DEC to play these events for an equal amount of DEC from the DAO. This benefits all players instead of just asking for a gift in a time when it is clearly likely the company will need some help getting over the line of getting the node license software out so node holders will be able to validate battles on the blockchain.
It is really a proposal to stage tournaments that payout in GP and the DAO pays for it.
There are many players that are in no guild. Many New players, will Not be able to join any good guilds. None of These people will be able to benefit AT All from these. Why Do we Not do Things, that benefit All players instead of stuffing the whales from the big guilds with EVEN MORE rewards than they are getting for each brawl ANYWAYS????? Why would that make sense?? Where is the Fairness in all this?
I disagree. I think through the help of these tournaments, we should see many new Guilds being introduced potentially with open doors to new players.
The hardest part about starting a guild is having the funds to build it. My main goal with these tournaments is to address that issue.
I believe that if there was no fee to create 2kDEC tournaments and if the prizes came from each player's registration fees and not added by the host, or rather that both event models would be possible. There would certainly be more numbers of events and dynamism, without the need to put our hands in the DAO's pocket.
Hello @brybro27,
Could you clarify how these tournaments will be implemented? Specifically, are these tournaments going to be private or by invitation only, or will they be open for any guild to register and participate? Normally, anyone can register to enter tournaments, so understanding the entry process would help in assessing how inclusive these tournaments are meant to be.
Hi @mangowambo - I didn't put too many specifics as I mainly wanted this proposal to be a proposal for allowing DAO DEC to be used as rewards. I didn't want to fully think out the tournament structure as it would be a waste if this proposal doesn't go through.
A little tid bit though of what I was thinking would be around the following:
I like the idea of having a set of guild tourneys and don't mind the DAO paying for it, but I have no idea how these are going to go, who gets to participate and if it will be fun if I don't know the rules.
If this is just for the top guilds or not clear, then I'm not going to vote for it. If this is for all guilds to participate in with different levels and have fun, then I would be interested.
So please give me a better breakdown and I would support it if I can understand it and of course agree with it. I honestly think the concept is cool, but implementation can vary greatly and we really don't have enough information.
Hi Dave - Thanks for the comment! I've edited my post with my initial vision on the tournament structure. Please let me know if you have any feedback or questions as I'm open to adjusting the tournaments based on community feedback!
Thank you Brybro. I appreciate more clarification, but the issue I'm concerned with is to make sure that its applicable to all size guilds.
For instance, there are 5 guild tiers and all of them should feel that they have a realistic chance to win part of this pool. In order to do that, I believe you would need to break down the prize pool by tier. An example would be: 20% of the prize pool would go to each tier (or any variation of that you want)... or alternatively 40% to tier 5, 30% to tier 4, 15% to tier 3, 10% to tiers 2 and 5% to tier 1. (NOTE: these are just ideas, but all tiers should have something to look forward to and participate in)
The reason for this is because there is simply no way for a tier 1 guild to win against a tier 5 guild, so they should not be in the same competition. The fact that you exclude the top 3 from winning twice in a row only means that you will likely still pay out only the top 10 guilds (with 3 of those 10 sitting out while the other 7 win each time).
I like the idea of you putting this together, but I want to make sure we make it fun and realistically competitive for all guilds, and not just the top tiers. As its written now, I think it will only likely benefit the top 10 guilds and we have over 600 total guilds in the system.
Even if you can't adjust it now to fit my concerns and I personally can't support it, I still would be willing to work with you further to find ways to bring this idea into existence - of course assuming it doesn't pass as is.
Again thank you for a great idea. I hope one day we find a way to make it happen.
I dont like the fact that we dont know how tournaments will be structured.
For example, Im VERY VERY much against "live tournaments", so Im not voting for something thats uncertain.
Also, will this include GF tournaments? Will gf tournaments take the biggest part of the rewards? Will tournaments include all levels of play? (bronze to diamond) or just diamond?
Im also not a fan of touching DAOs dec because thats like taking value directly from our pockets.
Hi Eldon - Thanks for the comment! I've edited my post with my initial vision on the tournament structure. Please let me know if you have any feedback or questions as I'm open to adjusting the tournaments based on community feedback!
I think this is a good proposal, we need the game to be more fun, we need new game modes that people want to play.
As for the economic details, it should not be such a big problem if the DEC or the reward that will be delivered will be in "Guild Power", to my way of understanding things, this will not flood the market with thousands or millions of DEC, but it will be a door for the guilds to continue to grow.
Another thing if they don't want the DEC to get involved or something like that, the rewards could be special cosmetics for the players, in this case those who participate in the tournament, when I talk about cosmetics I mean :
Be that as it may, you have to make the product have more ways to have fun, at least in my opinion, this would imply more hours of gameplay, more time invested in splinterlands, which could imply more investment in everything that is currently needed to play.
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Updated At: 2024-06-01 15:11 UTC
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