RE: And there I was, thinking i could avoid politics
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I thought that I was the only crazy that disliked the proposal… I think this proposal was the last drop that I needed to conclude that People don’t know how to write proposals, and in consequence people don’t know how to assess dhf proposals… if someone wants a grant to execute a project it needs to be detailed a couple of things… why your project is important, some background, what you foresee to conclude with that project and expenses discrimination. You cant say that you will need 500k USD when you dont know in what you are going to spend on that… how much in personnel ? Technologies needed to buy? Third party company hiring? When I saw a comment in the proposal authors saying that they don’t know exactly the costs and how they are going to spend that? Man… it could be Albert Einstein asking for a grant that I would still be against to do it. Sometimes dhf proposals looks a child play… and stakeholders think that hive tokens are like monopoly bank notes. I am not against the group asking the money, I hated the how mostly.
You are not the only one with concerns about this one!
I am happy to see other people concerned!
Exactly that, this proposal could be an example of how NOT to write a proposal. I'm not against the idea, just need more details and plans.
Thanks for the integrity in your actions!
Always two sides of the story so I like to get it all before I make any judgement call. I'll be honest the threating nature and manipulation talk from Aggy is unneeded and was uncalled for. But Aggy isn't in control of Splinterlands anymore instead Matt is and Matt has done a good job I think in presenting it. *I thought he should have kept out the mention of other exchanges as that did come off threating even though I don't think he meant it to.
I personally feel Splinterlands has brought in at LEAST $500,000 worth of new users, buying hive assets and contributing value into Hive over the years that this is a simple ask to support a good application on hive. I have no issue with the ask and feel this should be passed. It's proven to have brought value exceeding the ask and will continue to do so in the future. That's the type of stuff we need to support around here emotions aside (Because honestly the emotions around here are so crazy that I would be in favor of just dropping and burning all the DHF funds at this point and never restocking it. Feels like it does more damage then good around here.)
Nothing emotional here before aggy sent fake love. I just don't agree with funding proposals that don't present a clear plan how the funds will be used. That was my main takeaway from valueplan, and I'm not gonna change that just because the SPL team is so nice (lol).
That's fair and I'd agree a solid plan of action and accounting should be present for a DHF fund. I'd even say it needs to have updates along with it to show how the money was spent and that it's proving to have positive results. DHF funds need to be used effective and provide value and more then they take IMO.
So how is it both sides then? Their proposal was lacking, and instead of correcting it in a timely manner they went around bullying and bribing.
I think for me it's because I go to the town halls, interact and watch the discord channels and been with the game since Alpha that I was ok with the lack of information because I see more of what's going on then someone on hive that wouldn't be playing the game and as super active in the community. So those unknowns to me where already fulfilled simply because of the close interaction I've had with the application over the many years. While I can see from your viewpoint that it's missing and I would agree that it in fact is and would be confusing and a very hard unknown ask from the outside looking in.
I also believe that there's really two proposals that should be made instead of this one. One for work to be done to integrate brand awareness and more hive details into the game to expose more players to hive and then a proposal later with better details for a marketing plan which would be backed with conversion numbers via the new onboarding system they are still currently working on.
these are good points.
breaking it up into smaller trackable proposals with more promotion of Hive, could provide a lot of value.
are you not concerned with the millions being wasted by valueplan then? Because I can pretty much guarantee you we will never see that value returned BACK into hive which to me is a dumb project. If it's not going to grow and build hive larger then the cost then it shouldn't be passed. If it is see how long your business is going to run before you drive it into the ground. This isn't to pick sides but just an overall observation.
For sure I could have added that… by the way I just read their post 2 or 3 weeks ago… i wanted more details of some of the « projects expenses there" including a supposed project by a hive watcher member in his community that i have never read about… I wrote a while ago about government transparency, but how we can complain about it when the funds of our investments in here goes to black holes that we don’t know what it is ? I have been reading a lot of drama these last days . I am getting tired 😂
It's for sure not a welcoming environment for new people or even old. It drives people away always has lol
yeah Valueplan is a big issue.
As a Splinterlander of just over three years standing and someone who plays it every single day, you don't even know Hive exists unless you go looking for it. This from a company that employs six people in marketing, lol!
I only learned that Hive was founded as a decentralised social media platform, whicfh is a brilliant idea by the way, cos I started to get involved in various Hive communities on Discord.
I post in various Hive related Discord servers every single day too, but I get zero hp brownie points for being actively involved in over half a doxzen Hive communities.
Having only just learned about the DHF, and been repeatedly told that my opinions do not count as i only have 70hp, can you please explain what this Valueplan thing is?