Splinterlands Town Hall Summary - May 15th, 2023!
Town Hall Summary
- Team Members:
- Aggroed (Co-Founder & CEO)
- Matt (C0-Founder & CPO)
- Investygator (OPS Product Owner / Software Developer)
- Weirdbeard (Brawlhalla)
- R0nd0n (Splinterlands TV)
- Special Guest:
- Tyler from NFTy Arcade
- Recording:
Timestamps:
- 00:35 - Team Introduction
- 03:00 - Tyler from NFTy Arcade
- 23:15 - Investygator (OPS Product Owner / Software Developer)
- 30:35 - Matt (C0-Founder & CPO)
- 1:24:30 - Weirdbeard (Brawlhalla)
- 1:45:05 - R0nd0n (Splinterlands TV)
- 1:49:40 - Q&A
💥 Company Updates 💥
Special Guest: Tyler from NFTy Arcade
- Reward share platform
- Create a deck of cards and lend them out for a reward share agreement
- Splinterlands added some bronze level decks to facilitate the onboarding of new players
- NFTY does not own these cards
- Marginal success
Tuesday Release Update with Investygator
Account Security & Changing Email
- A new Account Security page has been added to the drop down option menu. From this section you can set an e-mail if none is associated with your account, verify your e-mail address is valid, change the existing e-mail on an account, change your password for your account, or request your keys after buying the Spellbook.
- As noted above, we have added the ability to change the e-mail associated with your account in-game. This functionality requires active key authority and the new e-mail cannot already be associated with another account.
Gameplay Updates
- Resurrection and Rebirth have been updated to properly clear Affliction, Blind, Cripple, Halving, Poison, Snare, and Weaken. Recharging is also now reset.
General Updates
We have updated the way cards for sale and rent are pulled from the system to only return the 1,000 that are actually displayed. This should improve the load time for listings and reduce data transfer amounts. Previously it would return all cards for sale, then sort on the UI side.
For third party developers, the new API is market/market_query_by_card. An example of a basic query would be: https://api.splinterlands.com/market/market_query_by_card?id=411
However, there’s a lot of flexibility in what market data you can query. A more complex example would be:
https://api.splinterlands.com/market/market_query_by_card?id=411&gold=true&type=rent&rental_type=season&fee=400&level=3&limit=300&sort=low_price
Items Hotfixed into the Game Prior to the Release
- Paypal purchases via Credit Card have been temporarily disabled due to issues found with processing some of those requests.
Matt - Words with Wizards
SPS Staking
- SPS staking will replace Collection power
- First step of integrating SPS into the reward mechanism of the game
- Main design is ready to go
- SPS staking will determine your rewards
- It's not one specific number - there's a range
- Based on a formula that is based on your rating
- As you move up in rating, the amount of SPS that you need will slowly increase
- The amount of reward shares will be adjusted based on how much SPS you have
- Diminishing returns formula
- How does this impact a brand new player?
- It's not a requirement to play
- They will need to get cards
- Buy SPS or SPS delegation
- Chart for each league and tier rating
- You can always get delegated SPS instead of buying so you can earn more
- We want to encourage players to stake more in order to earn more rewards
- This gives SPS utility
- No money is paid to Splinterlands by doing this
- Will be implemented by the end of next quarter
Guilds
- Upgrade to existing guild system
- Allowing people to take their guild contributions with them when they leave and apply them to a new guild
- Guild points - you will be able to take 90% of the guild points if you leave a guild
- Will be adding new guild buildings
- These will require additional assets to be staked to level it up
- You can unstake at any time
- Getting rid of the quest lodge
- Revamp of the guild leaderboard
- Cosmetic benefits
- Leaderboard rewards that are season based
Weirdbeard - Brawlhalla
- Finding ways to make sure new players can come in and understand everything
- Making sure that changes are understandable for everyone
- Working to get all the changes out for this quarter
- 5/24 and 5/25 Crucible of Fire planning session
- Underlying game mechanics - tech modernization for battles and the mobile experience
- New player tutorials
- Proposal just passed to have no bots in Modern
- Validator work
- We have updates and releases every week
- Moving to bigger monthly releases that are polished
- Land is still the priority
- New game mode planning that will involve drafting
- 5 year anniversary event upcoming
Splinterlands TV
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Past Town Hall Summaries
Quick question about the sps staking. Is the SPS required, the amount of SPS or the value? Since SPS fluctuates in price, is it a fixed number of SPS stakes or is it like $100 value of sps for a certain league division or something?
that's a good point, which should define much better staking sps compared to crypto market
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The ONLY positive is the guild changes.
This has to be a joke. Almost half a million SPS for champion 1? I have been reaching champion 1 and 2 for several seasons and I "only" have 30k SPS. I own max level cards and I can now only play in gold? Are you trying to ruin the game?
For now from staked sps top hodlers only like ~200 players meets the requirements to play in champion I and I see that there are players like byz, who have sps and not have cards for champion so basically even less players, if we include only investors, which hodl token and not play.
I have Champion SPS and I play Gold 1. Im happy to delegate my SPS.
If you're offering a delegation, I could use 50k for gold 1. I've been stacking SPS over the past several months with a goal to reach 10k before this stuff gets implemented. I'm almost at 7k now and I may still hit my original goal, but that's not going to get me full rewards in gold 1.
Im happy to delegate it when the market for delegations opens. Thats what I was talking about in my other comments.
how does delegation work do you just get earnings automatically based on what is delagated? I have a million sps right now and 17 nodes that prodce it will have more soon but will be looking to delegate out so i dont need to run bots rather delegate if i earn that way and thats all live.
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Oh man, that's good to know, if you can help me I appreciate it, I need 11k to continue in silver 1.
i have sps if you are good bc i want to max the roi i can get on my sps jsut need to understand how it works
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shouldnt be a big suprise they have been saying staked sps req for a long time and the delegation is here so ppl will need to rent or make a revshare agreement with ppl with sps which is why investors bought alot of it to be able to delegate it out for a return and that replaces the bot returns at least for me i only ran like 4 bots but not will be just delegating to my guild to get them in champion or what ever level they need and keep stacking the sps to keep doing it until im able to support at least one full guild and have a secondary guild where everyone will play the accounts that are owned by the guild dao for us that are ment to get accounts with soulbound cards so they can be rented out to players who have cards but no soulbound or gladious cards that will be a whole sep mkt. Im not sure why ppl have investors with out ppl investing no game would exist you need all types of players investors, investors and players, ppl who play just to play which bring alot of the outside revenue in, market makers to keep the liquidity so ppl can trade in and out or the rewards would not be able to be traded at all, ppl to run validators to keep it decentralized and ran on many nodes which produce a inventory of sps whihc can be sold to ppl needing it. I am a investor so i invest in teams where i dont neeed to play and activities where i make income for running different aspects of the game or part of them. Thats fun to me and amd working on a investment fund to bring in outside passive investment which will provide more rentable decks via nfty and sps availible to be delegated as well as hive power and spt power to vote on posts etc. Without investor aspect the mkts would be a shit show and with out the players the revenue would not comein the game so all are needed in this type of gamne. I get not all ppl can afford 400K sps but thats when you rent until you dont need to anymore or do the split how ever it works. Why would investors not deserve a return for holding sps all this time for these features ? We took a big risk with are own money and everyone seems to think we dont deserve to make any now that the fuctionality is starting to be added? If thats the case there wont be a game to play bc no onewould commit new funds or utilize thegroup buys and be able to offer packs at a discount and makea small profit on alarge number of packflips which advances thecompany money for development and provides cheaper packs to players as well or allows us to provide the decks to nfty to use the rev share model. If you want to be a investor than rent your sps out and get the passive returns on it , get involved in the assets that do the investment side then use them to buy the cards. Thats what i always did was invest in the assets that provide cashflow then use that to buy card packs or go in on a 150K group buy with a bunch of ppl and buy say 10-25K worth but you can do much less andstill get the low prices and right now the pack prices are as low as what we paid in the group buys at like 1.3 ish so buying packs now is getting the same deal as far as cost. Ive been adding a bunch at these prices bc i have land i have been buying and need a bunch to work the land. Also another method is rent cards and then outsource the rented deck to a player with a revenue share and you split the net cash flow where say i would take 10% on many accounts and rent the assets bc i can then ramp up or down with profitability and the players keep most of the rewards except the soul bound cards and merits so 90% -95% goto the player which would be all sps and packs etc. and I make my money by having say 50 accounts that would do this wiht 5% thats like 150% of one account or a account and a half and it creates all the soul bound decks i need to be able to rent out the accounts eventually with only soulbound cards to play with and cash them out down the line when maxed. Alot of ways to build up the sps like you could do that same model and create say 20 accounts and all you would need to do is have the rent for a season and make sure it works obviously but if it does the barrier to entry on that is so low and you then have many accounts taking the 5-15% fees depending on what you agree on and you just need to secure the rentals and nfty takes care of the splits etc. Also sometimes the lps can earn sps at a faster rate so you can increase your stake by adding to the lps and earning faster than the stake rate but with the glx drop going on probabbly not worth it bc ofthe temp boost in glx with sps for the year brings the roi up to 30-40% and the 20% of the sps is sent to glx earning 97% right now which can be used to swap back into sps so your able to take 40% and earn at 97% use that to gain extra sps which in turn gets you extra air drops etc. Ifyou want to have a source of cash flow notdependant on spl use some lps like wbtc btc with a short futures contract to mitigate price risk and take the swap fees , same with eth weth , pax g which you can invest in gold use it as collaterol short the 10 ounce gold contract so you dont need to worry about price decresaes in gold bc the contract will go up when paxg goes down and vice versa. borrow x amount of eth against it short the eth contract since eth borrow rate is like .25% deposit on maker and generate dai to deposit on say aave and purchase borrow aave and short the eth contract as they are correlated use aave for its interest free loan to borrow and re deposit on aave as collaterol adding more aave borrowing morefor free and then when you get to the right amount of aave borrow eth and swap half to weth deposit on compound and short theeth contract to negate the price movement using IBKR brokerage which allows margin and futures only make you put down 10% ofthe contract value and since your long the underlying you just collect the futures interest rate ithink like 1% or so as well. You can also just stop with the simple borrow eth and swap to weth and collect those fees or use stable coinsto make it even less risky but you wont be able to earn as much apy or lp tokens. Can use all the extra earnings to buy more sps than you would get from staking out right. ***** Some of the positions I have not tried yet as i just came up with them but will be setting them up in some variation over the next few weeks along with some equities postions with monthly distribuitions and private placement offerings like a mhp to sheild any income from the fees as the passive losses and also be able to use cheap margin on the equities at 4/1 during the day to take advantage of short term borrowing rates which are low at ibkr and may be deposited in a savings account that say gets 5% and you borrow at 3-4% on mostly a leveraged money mkt , cd portfolio in ibkr. Can coordinate opening new brokerage accounts that give out sign up bonuses to make extra money like td gives out anywhere between 100 and 2000 depending, merril gives out500 and others like webull, robinhood etc giveout a bunch of free shares which are great you can create a whole stock portfolio from them there are like 20 that give out free shares. Another great one is get a business and personal 21 month balance transfer card that charges 0% interest for 21 months and write your self the checks for 2-3% so you pay like 1.5% a year and deposit in a 5% cd for 21 months earn 3.5% on how ever large of a credit line they will give you and that is like getting free money by borrowing risk free from the credit card and putting it in a risk free account earning 3.5%. Depending on how much you can get say if its 100K thats a free 3500 a year you get using the banks money to basically net what a small sfr would make you and best part is you can keep repeating with different cards. There are hundredsthat offer 12-21 months 0%. Paypal has a unique one that lets you charge 6 months of interest free as long as you pay it every 6 months so you borrow the max every 6 months on it and you can just do that by charging things instead of using debit and investing it as you charge it then repeating every 6 months with a month gap in the middle. The bank bonus thing if you are in the us there are hundreds of online banks offering 50-500 to open accounts if you say deposit 500 in the checking for 3 months then they give you like 200 dollars for doing so and you can repeat usually in 18months so its recurring and you can set a reminder to do it again in 18 months. This is mostly US banks so if you are not in the US might not be a thing in other countries. Pretty interesting ways to make additional money using the banks money and there promotions jsut taking it to scale and doing what most dont do. The banks still make money most of the time as ppl usually open the card for one and use that card for a few years wehre the bank makes its bonus back from the merchant fees which is why they let ppl just repeat like it do. There is a publiccompany that does just this lol its wehre i get all my links i use from. I beleive its pennyhoarder.com they have a list of all the current bank and credit card bonuses and promos out there. Some have some really good deals like chase bank if you open two business checking , business credit, personal checking and two personal cards you can get 1500 for each credit card after spending x $ in x months and have a ddp goto your chase accounts or just deposit theamount required for 3 months and you get 300 from each checking. I did that one last year. so the total was like 6900 for a day of work for that one. No bonuses are as good as that but there are many that are pretty close. Plus if you fly or travel you can get enough points to stay anywhere for free almost. Im not promoting my links or anything here so this is not spam you can do your own research on it if you want. Ill keep doing my thing and if it sounds to crazy dont do it but its a bunch of interesting ways to make additional cash which can be used to fund spl or whatever you want. A bunch of interesting set ups to mitigate risk of market makeing.
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You had better buy SPS then lol
Facts lol
Or sell your assets
Do you honestly believe people will actually do that? Most players will look at this and either do nothing or even sell some assets or just sell everything. Almost no one will be like "oh sure a new crazy requirement, how nice! Let me spend $1k in SPS".
I would vote raise the sps requirements by at least double hahaha
I play in champion with owned cards. I have been playing for over a year and a half. I have never sold SPS and even bought some. I still "only" have 30k SPS. These requirements are absurd.
Asinine indeed.
Only 30k sps!? Damn, you better get some more than or you can rent from me 😆
The developers are starting to loose the plot. I can't see most of the casual players, that have families to look after and also spend time with love ones really having much more than 10k to 30k SPS. This makes up probably over 60% - 70% of the actual human player base that will have too less SPS for these ridiculous figures.
All this crap changes that piss off actual players and investors instead of sorting out the real problem which is bots.
I am really starting to wonder how many of the bots farms are being run be the dev team themselves. Only reason why they so hesitant to deal with the issue.
SPS delegation opens a new market. This is good for everyone.
also playing since over a year now, staked every SPS i got investet soon $ 10k in the game lots of maxed cards playing gold / diamond and have only 13K SPS staked now i should have over 100k staked .... really not cool now i have to invest more then $ 2k again to get the rewards i get now but no money left to invest in the game ... this really sucks
These SPS numbers are ridiculous. One needs to pay $1282 USD at SPS price right now to get max rewards for Gold I. Maybe there should be an ascending scale overtime where the SPS requirements increase to stay in leagues. But start it a bit lower, and then have a max cap where it doesn't increase anymore. It would give an incentive to always stake your SPS instead of selling it.
To put it bluntly that sort of is how it is going to work.
This whole situation is actually a bit misleading and the team is terrible at optics. These are not true SPS requirements in the way that CP has league requirements. As of right now, you either have the CP to play in a league or you don't. This new system gets rid of that reality and will let you play in whatever league your rating will get you to. In exchange, your reward % will be lowered based on the SPS you have staked vs the SPS goal of that league but that doesn't mean the raw reward you actually earn is lower too. for example if the league has a 10k SPS target and you only have 7k SPS you'll get 70% of the baseline now but you'll still be able to play in that league.
To put it bluntly we will all likely end up with around the same amount of rewards. The reason why I think we all end up basically the same is that this hits all of us in the same way which means that all of us will no longer be hitting 100% of the baseline amount of reward per battle. This ultimately means that the baseline will go up to compensate for the fact the daily pool isn't being drained at the same rate.
The total amount of SPS in the daily pool isn't changing here so if the same number of people ultimately play in Diamond 1 after this change as before, those same people are going to be the ones ultimately splitting the Diamond 1 daily SPS pool and the % of base reward doesn't matter anyways.
On the flip side, if you currently play in a league that has an SPS target of 10k but have 15k staked, you are now earning 150% of the baseline. All of this will balance out. It is just hard to think about given it is in terms of % and people like to think about raw end rewards and think oh now I'm only going to make x% when in reality that won't be true.
Perfectly explained!
If this is the case then that won't be too bad. The team is then just really bad at properly explaining their ideas. 😁
If your explanation turns to be what actually happens where CP don't limit up to which league you can play then it will be almost the same like Beta days where skill could take you to higher leagues with your cards. If this means that bots with no SPS staked can't drain the reward pools too much then it's not too bad.
Thanks for this. I'm glad it's not like CP requirements. It seemed like it was going that route. The way you explained doesn't seem bad.
Could this be the beginning of an end
Only for people like yourself lol
Certainly, not everyone is like you. There are several different profiles in the game.
If you lose 90% of the player base and are only left with 10% that can actually afford to play...sure makes it seem like the longevity of such a project will be called into question. New players and retention of those players are what make a game survive, and when they see some of these absurd SPS requirements, and lose game after game without earning a penny...well...
Form your own conclusion, I guess. Have fun waiting in that 28 minute queue for one of the 3 other players online in your Champion League. Which is great, for whales, because they will get to split up a monstrous reward pool.
im thinking most of the people with alot are looking to delegate like im notplanning on playing my self at a high level id rather delegate and earn a piece from someone better than me. I bought sps for that reason so i can say rent out a deck to play and delegate out to earn on my sps better than what i would get playing.
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I understand, that you want to give utility to the SPS token, but in my oppinion the steps are done to fast.
There have been figures around with 10k or even 100k SPS needed to get a certain amount of rewards in higher leagues.
These numbers presented today are just to big for most players, which did huge investments into their decks over the last year.
Even with only 2 cent per SPS we are talking about nearly 9k $ for having maximum rewards in champ 1.
I would appreciate introducing this system step by step. So starting with lower values and increasing them over time, so the playerbase has time to adept.
Doing this now in one big step, could lead to a mass exodus of players, creating havoc on the remaining economy.
Been saying this for years you need a lot of sps if you want to get max rewards
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I don't know if there was a proposal to vote on this reward change.
As much as I think about it I see a negative impact on both new players and user retention.
On the other hand, who is going to delegate sps being this a fundamental requirement to obtain rewards.
One more aspect, the power of the cards is something useless, what will happen to its value?
Aren't cards the greatest asset of the game? With this, they are relegated to the background and limited to play only.
many will delagate bc there will be revenue shares and or rental rates for sps
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Sounds like it's 1st of April!🤔
My deck, which I have been building up over almost two years (with money ofc) can play gold I. I possess about 5k SPS. After these changes, it would require me to invest another 50k SPS (~1200 $) before I can earn the same amount I did over the past seasons. To me, that sounds absolutely unreasonable. If I would not do that, I would have to play a full 6 leagues lower (silver III).
First time in two years that I think of selling all my assets.
Aside from my personal misery, I have a hard time believing that this model will be attractive for new players.
I will give it the benefit of the doubt though!
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time to clear out the Riff Raff and Bot Farms .........
Land is going to be very enjoyable........
i dontthink it will do much for bot farms maybe really big ones but if yourin bronze i could make a bot farm if i wanted to with the sps i have. andthe ppl who ran those have alot of sps im guessing
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The SPS staking amounts are ridiculous. I started in SL 14 months ago and I've put in about $17K into the game. I bought a max level CL deck for $4K 2 licenses which is the main reason I even earn here. A lot of my SPS was bought at a lot higher cost then the 2 cents it is now.
I run my account in champ which for the most part my earning just pay for my rentals to keep playing in champ. I have almost 19K SPS staked so that means I'd only earn 10% of the rewards I am earning now, so now I have to figure out how to come up with $9K more over two time my card value just to keep earning what I am earning.
Now I'll have a max level deck playing gold which is stupid and a complete waste of cards. It's time to start thinking about selling everything or just renting it out and earning passively in the ecosystem the game is no where near able to stand on the game itself without the earn and too many are leaning to leaving or just investing. Pretty soon there will be no one left playing the game.
did you factor in all the staking rewards you received as part of it cant just look at price need to adjust for that
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This is something that should have been implemented DAY 1. This game and its continued "development" has done more and more to make it a game geared toward the whales, while making it less and less attractive for a new player with less than a couple grand to spend.
Saddens me, this was at one time the flagship of pure "Play to earn" blockchain gaming. Bot farms ruined this, and now it has devolved into a "pay to win/pay to earn" style game.
And with some of these ridiculous SPS requirements to play at a level one may have been used to? With tons of value locked up into cards that, at this point, is going to be wasted capital?
Well, at least the whales are still making good $$$. That is the important thing, I guess. Not attracting and retaining new players. That is how a game survives, right?
who says ppl with alot of sps wouldnt put packages to let new new players play for free with x % ofthe sps just to get ppl in and playing in your guilds and team? I dont plan on charging for bronze and can make a bunch ofbronze delegations for ppljustcoming in
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I know other people with alot of sps will probably provide similar free delegations to bronze and some silver levels for new players like im going to do.
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I think that those are crazy $SPS numbers for most people.
Have a min SPS isn't a problem for me but it needs to be realistic.
I have over a million CP and 200,000 SPS and would still be restricted to diamond.....
Never mind newer players coming into the system. It's so restrictive for people who want to climb up the levels.
The game was always on the verge of play to play but now it's getting ridiculous. Having to stake $4.5K dollars just to get past diamond level.
There have been a lot of bad calls made by the team this year.
All about getting more money instead of creating a game for everybody to play and grow the userbase. This will shrink the userbase, again.
Exactly, what is better CP or SPS?
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SPS, but with realistic and sustainable and new player friendly staking requirements
Mat explicitly said that it was calculated for CURRENT SPS price, which is the same mistake they made with Chaos Legend Pack and reward card print rate, only in reverse
obviously when a bull market comes and if many many new players join and SPS goes 20x from where it is now, it will grow even much worse than now and everyone is already complaining about the requirements now, it's like the team can only ever look at the current state and never have the future in mind, it's like they make the same kind of mistakes over and over again without ever learning anything
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SPS request for each rank is too much. I like the idea but the number need to be adjusted.
"we want to attract new players and don't let them go away"
Add ridicolous requirements in sps staking
Clap clap
would love to understand how team came up with those numbers for sps staking requirements to earn rewards. Seems farther away from getting new players to come in and stay. I like the idea of giving sps utility but this isn't the way
So with my CL2 or CL1 deck and around 88k SPS i will be able to play at Diamond 3 at best? This has to be a joke! I mean the rewards even at CL were getting worse over the last month. A CL reward chest with 1.7 SPS worth 3 Cents but i will have to stake SPS at around 10k$ to get those 3 Cent chests? Sorry but L M A O !!!
Im playing the game since mid 2019 but honestly if that change and those numbers will come true i will sell all my assets and say good bye!
keep in mind that you aren't even getting NFT cards, but soulbound ones, that's the real joke, so there won't even be 3 cents in the chest but 0, ya'll get the three cents worth after waiting for a year and paying 3 cents in unlocking fees and staking 10 grand worth of sps for it and playing for hours of your time
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soulbound until they are tradeable and canbe sold or burned im actually likeing the soulbound better right now it lets me build decks out of them that i can use to rent out to people as a set of soulbound cards and they bring there deck and play on my account and i take a adjusted split to take into account that i get all the soulbound cards etc and that lets me build more decks to keep doing that with and eventually ill be able to either bot them in wild and earn or if nfty suports ill just rent them out as soulbound rentals
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you will need to get a delagation via a agreeement with a revenue share or if its already built in im not sure
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I think it's a lot of SPS for each rank, reduce it a little, or many players will give up 😕
Awesome Town Hall. Flew by so quickly. So much information.
I love the move to Staked SPS & moving away from the cumbersome CP.
U still need CP to win games.
SPS to show you're into the game. Invest to your level of comfort & be rewarded in kind.
Love SPL.
the demands of the SPS are extreme and do not encourage me to stay in the game. I'm sure, like me, there are many others who already realize that they don't have the money to play...
There's no way I'm going back to silver II after working so hard to get to gold I.
What it does is give rise to the sps delegation markets which will come out to rent sps
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The lower leagues are not very extreme sps is at .02 so 10000 is 200 dollars and bronze is 8 bucks ofsps so new players learning will be able to play and learn just fine and progress and might need delegations around higher silver league but even then thats 1000 dollars ish for 50K i think and then you can also decide to delegate it out ifyou dont want to play. or just rent the extra or come up with a agreement with someone like i want to have one person play a bunch of accounts in my guilds and do tournaments which ill cover the costs of rentals and sps staking and the net cash flow will be split in that case by some ratio tbd. I plan on having multiple ways to get there depending on the risk i want to ttake like renting cards lets me wind up and down while not risking much if its not profitable i stop and just stake and earn the staking rewards until renting is profitable agian and it makes sense. I want to collect as many soulbound decks as I can using the outsourcing model and renting the cards for the players under the condition ikeep the soulbound cards is one option and then the split comes after which is specific to each deal.
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or just see if someone will rent you the sps privately until the rental mkts come out
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SPS staking should have been a great opportunity to get people excited... instead it seems like these huge requirements are switching people off.
Put it this way... I have 3.7k staked SPS and there are only about 7500 people in the world with more SPS staked than me according to peakmonsters.
How about a regular snapshot of staked SPS before each season starts (numbers can be whatever work). Top 200 stakers qualify to play Champ 1, next 300 Champ 2 etc.
or use a less frequent snapshot to set SPS requirements if that works better.
since the team could set the number of players for each league, they could make return more consistent based on investment and allow most people to build their bag over time vs other players.
413k staked sps to play champion? Seriously? This is not a game anymore.
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Saludos podemos conversar por discord sobre renovar su delegación.
How about Staked SPS + 20% of Staked SPT, giving SPT some use / value and encouraging the community to post about Splinterlands?
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yes i like adding spt in there we should give that shit some use but also should do a air drop of some of the supply to the players and lower the vote threshold on the spt dao from 20 millionto like 100000 spt or less so everyone can vote on rewards and lp distributions like were paying a few million spt to hbsi and spt holders dont get hbsi so would love to receive some of that since were giving x amount to them and i hold a few million spt.
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This is a great idea adding spt in the mix i should have thought of it ive been wanting that to have utility gfor a while now
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Wow! I had to watch most of the video to make sure that I understood how this would work. For the most part it looks like our rewards earnings will just be throttled again. We will be able to keep playing in whatever league we can win in, but our rewards will be throttled if our staked SPS are less than the indicated numbers, and our rewards points will receive a multiplier if we actually have more SPS staked than the indicated numbers.
It looks like when they proposed throttling rewards for those of us who play with cards that aren't leveled up near the league we're playing in several months back. I hate to admit it but I think that change worked to some extent. I have been working to level up my cards more since that change. While I get a lot less rewards chests in gold league because of that, I still think the rewards in gold league are better than they are in Silver.
My big question is if our rewards shares will still be throttled because of our card level too? Does anyone know?
To be fair, they have warned us a few times over the last several months that this was coming. While those numbers are much higher than almost any of us had imagined, I'm glad that the numbers are finally out there.
@hawks21 offers some great perspective on these changes here
Does anyone know where he got that second chart?
Well, the demand for CL 1 is way to high, 8k USD and some 50k USD just to be able to be there. Which sane new player is willing to invest in a game to play that high?
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400K isnt 50K itslike 8000 dollars to get 400K sps ish which is still alot but not 50K that gets you over a million
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As we can see, most players do not agree with SPS staking requirements. Now is the time to find out if the team cares about us or not. Please send the people who came up with this change to a doctor for new pills. They must enter reality again.
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As a new player, and as someone who is trying to make use of the unique and robust rental system to let the game be a somewhat low upfront cost but playable enough and competitive enough to gradually cycle winnings and rewards back into the system to build their own collection over time...
These numbers look -impossible-
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just need to form a agreement with someone who has sps like im delegating to people who are good players and new players as well still need to compe up with exactly my allocations but bronze will be free as long as i get the soulbound cards and the rest goes to the player probably same with silver as i just want the cards in that case and if ppl want to earn sps or packs chests they can probably have all that at those levels but after silver likey will have a rev share or what ever the rental mkt is . Before it comes out the agreements will be done via nifty arcade bc they have the way to split earnings like that.
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Wow... I go from Diamond II, to Gold III??? Really???
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Watched the video... things don't look as bad as I thought they would be.
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Has the team been checking the current rewards at each leagues? You'll have to play and earn rewards for 10+ years to earn the staking requirement amount.. that's a bit crazy.. looks like it's designed for the SPS whales to make a killing renting out the SPS delegation..
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You can do it there are deff ways to earn that without having 10 years in you are creative with it. They have said this from the begining of sps that it will be needed to delegate and that is a huge feature for pplwho invested and have been waiting for this
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These SPS numbers are ridiculous. So, one needs to pay $1282 USD at SPS price right now to get max rewards for Gold I.
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If you think sps will do well in the future then i would see it as a investment. What areyou proposing then ? I would be fine with halving it but there needs to be rental demand for sps as that is a big part.
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You should be fucking ashamed of yourselves, not only have you left this game to stagnate while you try and launch umpteen other projects, now you are pricing people out of the game. 58000 sps for gold 1 is obscene...over 1k in sps plus at least 1k in cards just to play at mid-level. And then you have the nerve to say you are improving the new player experience. Your game will be dead in a year at the rate its going, you are bleeding players and still give 0 fucks about anything but cash! Lassecash would be a better investment choice for someone thinking of starting right now!
I usually have confidence in the team but with the SPS proposal changes here this going to be an abysmal exodus of players from the game. For the love of god scale back these numbers, and give it some trial runs. You focus the game so heavily on CP for so long but now change things on a dime to be SPS based for your league you play in? That should be a minimum 3-6 month change to give people time to prepare. If this goes into effect the way it is now, goodbye to your player base. I don’t say that lightly as someone who’s been playing since 2018 and invested quite a bit to get nearly 700k CP. Not the highest amount but more than many but I only have 35k SPS, I used 10 of it for Riftwatchers which was SPS only with vouchers.
Please be reasonable and adjust these numbers, this is utterly absurd.
I usually have confidence in the team but with the SPS proposal changes here this going to be an abysmal exodus of players from the game. For the love of god scale back these numbers, and give it some trial runs. You focus the game so heavily on CP for so long but now change things on a dime to be SPS based for your league you play in? That should be a minimum 3-6 month change to give people time to prepare. If this goes into effect the way it is now, goodbye to your player base. I don’t say that lightly as someone who’s been playing since 2018 and invested quite a bit to get nearly 700k CP. Not the highest amount but more than many but I only have 35k SPS, I used 10 of it for Riftwatchers which was SPS only with vouchers.
Please be reasonable and adjust these numbers, this is utterly absurd.
What are the median staked SPS numbers of the players in each league for SPS? That should be the more reflective number you should use to calculate how much each league requires perhaps. I think we certainly need more data to understand the change, not a screenshot without a post dedicated directly to this topic with lots of chance for discussion.
Right now SPS is at an all time low, and as the price of SPS rises so does the prize pool amount.
So sure complain all you like but there is opportunity waiting for the people prepared to level up their game.
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Who are you developing this game for, the rich? I think you are going to fail, stop doing this crap
it works just like the rental card mkts or will somewhat i beleive and ithas been communicated like crazy buy sps for this
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or plan to rentit out until yuou have the amount needed on your own
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when i started playing my account was like 1000 bucks at the high after 6 months i kept playing and then got lucky with the boom in card prices and also payed attention and got alot of the airdrops etc. right now sps is returning 22% plus the glx drop as well. The roi is pretty good on it and you can get part ofthe glx game as well.
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those numbers are crazy. I think that with 9k SPS I should be able to play in at least gold league...
So time to sell cards and buy sps to stake ? It take years to build this deck Power. So best formula sell all cards build deck with rental cards and just stake sps. Looks easy no need to stuck with power thing.
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Wow, these are some wild SPS stake numbers. They should really do a better job of explaining that these aren't raw requirements however and it isn't like people are going to get kicked out of their actual leagues.
I suggest watching
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This will let me stake my whole guild if they need it and get part of the extra rewards as a revenue share for staking the sps and tournament prizes since i can get ppl into higher leveltournaments. This stuff has been communicated alot by the team and i dont understand why ppl are mad there has been a lot of time to accumulate sps even starting with a say a few thousand and playing alot since it came out you probably are close or past that if you are good and rented or own the cards and have played in champ before with rented cards it jsut adds actual utility for people who invested in sps heavily and nodes like should people who invested alot into it be punished and we make it so there is no sps rental demand which is something we have been expecting since it came out. i invested in say about a million sps and 17 nodes for that reason and a few more as well and there will be part of my fund that will be offering delegations of sps for rent or revenue shares and there will be a designated portion for helping new players get started at a super low rent or revenue share when they are in lower leagues as i envision my pricing to go up per tier like a prograssive system so it helps newer players start out but if they want to goto champion league then obviously i needto earn a sufficient return on my sps as well but for ppl in bronze ill have probably a certain amount of free delegations to help bring ppl into the game and cheap silver delagations etc.
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This will let me stake my whole guild if they need it and get part of the extra rewards as a revenue share for staking the sps and tournament prizes since i can get ppl into higher leveltournaments. This stuff has been communicated alot by the team and i dont understand why ppl are mad there has been a lot of time to accumulate sps even starting with a say a few thousand and playing alot since it came out you probably are close or past that if you are good and rented or own the cards and have played in champ before with rented cards it jsut adds actual utility for people who invested in sps heavily and nodes like should people who invested alot into it be punished and we make it so there is no sps rental demand which is something we have been expecting since it came out. i invested in say about a million sps and 17 nodes for that reason and a few more as well and there will be part of my fund that will be offering delegations of sps for rent or revenue shares and there will be a designated portion for helping new players get started at a super low rent or revenue share when they are in lower leagues as i envision my pricing to go up per tier like a prograssive system so it helps newer players start out but if they want to goto champion league then obviously i needto earn a sufficient return on my sps as well but for ppl in bronze ill have probably a certain amount of free delegations to help bring ppl into the game and cheap silver delagations etc.
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This will let me stake my whole guild if they need it and get part of the extra rewards as a revenue share for staking the sps and tournament prizes since i can get ppl into higher leveltournaments. This stuff has been communicated alot by the team and i dont understand why ppl are mad there has been a lot of time to accumulate sps even starting with a say a few thousand and playing alot since it came out you probably are close or past that if you are good and rented or own the cards and have played in champ before with rented cards it jsut adds actual utility for people who invested in sps heavily and nodes like should people who invested alot into it be punished and we make it so there is no sps rental demand which is something we have been expecting since it came out. i invested in say about a million sps and 17 nodes for that reason and a few more as well and there will be part of my fund that will be offering delegations of sps for rent or revenue shares and there will be a designated portion for helping new players get started at a super low rent or revenue share when they are in lower leagues as i envision my pricing to go up per tier like a prograssive system so it helps newer players start out but if they want to goto champion league then obviously i needto earn a sufficient return on my sps as well but for ppl in bronze ill have probably a certain amount of free delegations to help bring ppl into the game and cheap silver delagations etc.
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This will let me stake my whole guild if they need it and get part of the extra rewards as a revenue share for staking the sps and tournament prizes since i can get ppl into higher leveltournaments. This stuff has been communicated alot by the team and i dont understand why ppl are mad there has been a lot of time to accumulate sps even starting with a say a few thousand and playing alot since it came out you probably are close or past that if you are good and rented or own the cards and have played in champ before with rented cards it jsut adds actual utility for people who invested in sps heavily and nodes like should people who invested alot into it be punished and we make it so there is no sps rental demand which is something we have been expecting since it came out. i invested in say about a million sps and 17 nodes for that reason and a few more as well and there will be part of my fund that will be offering delegations of sps for rent or revenue shares and there will be a designated portion for helping new players get started at a super low rent or revenue share when they are in lower leagues as i envision my pricing to go up per tier like a prograssive system so it helps newer players start out but if they want to goto champion league then obviously i needto earn a sufficient return on my sps as well but for ppl in bronze ill have probably a certain amount of free delegations to help bring ppl into the game and cheap silver delagations etc.
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This will let me stake my whole guild if they need it and get part of the extra rewards as a revenue share for staking the sps and tournament prizes since i can get ppl into higher leveltournaments. This stuff has been communicated alot by the team and i dont understand why ppl are mad there has been a lot of time to accumulate sps even starting with a say a few thousand and playing alot since it came out you probably are close or past that if you are good and rented or own the cards and have played in champ before with rented cards it jsut adds actual utility for people who invested in sps heavily and nodes like should people who invested alot into it be punished and we make it so there is no sps rental demand which is something we have been expecting since it came out. i invested in say about a million sps and 17 nodes for that reason and a few more as well and there will be part of my fund that will be offering delegations of sps for rent or revenue shares and there will be a designated portion for helping new players get started at a super low rent or revenue share when they are in lower leagues as i envision my pricing to go up per tier like a prograssive system so it helps newer players start out but if they want to goto champion league then obviously i needto earn a sufficient return on my sps as well but for ppl in bronze ill have probably a certain amount of free delegations to help bring ppl into the game and cheap silver delagations etc.
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This will let me stake my whole guild if they need it and get part of the extra rewards as a revenue share for staking the sps and tournament prizes since i can get ppl into higher leveltournaments. This stuff has been communicated alot by the team and i dont understand why ppl are mad there has been a lot of time to accumulate sps even starting with a say a few thousand and playing alot since it came out you probably are close or past that if you are good and rented or own the cards and have played in champ before with rented cards it jsut adds actual utility for people who invested in sps heavily and nodes like should people who invested alot into it be punished and we make it so there is no sps rental demand which is something we have been expecting since it came out. i invested in say about a million sps and 17 nodes for that reason and a few more as well and there will be part of my fund that will be offering delegations of sps for rent or revenue shares and there will be a designated portion for helping new players get started at a super low rent or revenue share when they are in lower leagues as i envision my pricing to go up per tier like a prograssive system so it helps newer players start out but if they want to goto champion league then obviously i needto earn a sufficient return on my sps as well but for ppl in bronze ill have probably a certain amount of free delegations to help bring ppl into the game and cheap silver delagations etc.
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